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 SUBJ:     TAKE 1 OF 2--FOREIGN PRESS NOTE--FB PN  9i-003--USSR
 SOURCE:   FOREIGN BROADCAST INFORMATION SERVICE PROD GROUP
 TEXT:
 USSR: UFO SIGHTINGS NO.  3 -- DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENSE
 INTERVIEW
 LEADING SOVIET NEWSPAPERS HAVE INCREASED THEIR REPORTING ON UFO
 SIGHTINGS  IN RECENT MONTHS.   ONE PARTICULAR HIGHLIGHT WAS A LENGTHY
 INTERVIEW WITH SOVIET DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENSE  IVAN TRETYAK IN THE
 9 NOVEMBER LITERATURNAYA GAZETA,  A LARGE WEEKLY NEWSPAPER WITH
 NATIONAL CIRCULATION.  TRETYAK,  WHO ALSO HOLDS THE POSITIONS OF
 COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF THE AIR DEFENSE FORCES AND GENERAL OF THE
 ARMY,  CONFIRMED THAT FIGHTER-INTERCEPTORS HAD ENCOUNTERED
 UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS IN SOVIET AIR SPACE.   HE SAID THAT ONE
 ' ' UNIDENTIFIED FLYING MACHINE ' ' HAD BEEN PHOTOGRAPHED BY  INTERCEPTOR
 PILOTS AND THAT OPTICAL AND THERMAL SIGNALS FROM IT HAD BEEN
 DETECTED ON THE PILOTS'  TARGET SCREENS,  ALTHOUGH SOME  ' 'STEALTH-
 LIKE''                          CAPACITY PREVENTED THE RECORDING OF RADAR SIGNALS.
 LITERATURNAYA GAZETA COLUMNIST 0.  MOROZ ASKED TRETYAK IF THE AIR
 DEFENSE FORCES REGARD THE FLIGHT OF UFOS IN SOVIET AIR SPACE AS A
 'VIOLATION OF THE SOVEREIGNTY OF-THE USSR.TRETYAK REPLIED-THAT
 IT   IS PREMATURE TO SEE THE UFOS AS A THREAT TO SOVIET SECURITY OR
 SOVEREIGNTY BECAUSE ALTHOUGH PILOT REPORTS INDICATED THE UFOS
 APPEARED TO BE OF ARTIFICIAL ORIGIN,    THEIR REAL NATURE HAS NOT YET
 BEEN DETERMINED.   OBSERVING THAT MOST PREVIOUS UFO SIGHTINGS HAD
 BEEN  EXPLAINED AS NATURAL PHENOMENA OR AS A MISINTERPRETATION OF
 OPTICAL PHENOMENA ASSOCIATED WITH ROCKET LAUNCHES OR THE ARTIFICIAL
 DEBRIS  THAT  IS CONGESTING SPACE NEAR EARTH,  TRETYAK ADDED:    '' MANY OF
 THE PHENOMENA TAKEN FOR UFOS ARE CAUSED BY THE PENETRATION OF COSMIC
 RAYS THROUGH OZONE HOLES WHICH ARE FORMED DURING   ROCKET
 LAUNCHES.''  HE REVEALED THAT THE MILITARY KNEW SOME OF THE FAMOUS
 UFO SIGHTINGS  IN THE LATE 1970S COULD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED BY MAKING
 THIS EFFECT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE BUT THAT  ''FOR SECURITY REASONS,
 NOTHI$ G WAS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS AT THAT TIME.''
 GENERAL TRETYAK REPLIED NEGATIVELY WHEN ASKED WHETHER THE AIR
 DEFENSE FORCES HAD DETECTED ANY OF THE UFOS CITED IN FIVE RECENT
 CASES OF MASS OBSERVATION.   AS AN EXAMPLE OF A CASE OF  ''MASS''
 OBSERVATION OF A UFO --   IN THIS CASE BY THE AIR DEFENSE FORCES
 TRETYAK CITED AN UNIDENTIFIED FLYING VEHICLE   APPARAT                            THAT WAS
 REPORTED BY HIS CHIEF OF STAFF,  COLONEL GENERAL MALTSEV, IN MARCH
 1990  (SEE FOREIGN PRESS NOTE FB PN 90-123,  22 MAY 90,  ''USSR:  UFO
 SIGHTINGS NO.  2 -- GENERAL MALTSEV COMMENTS'').   TRETYAK STATED THAT
 ONE PARTICULAR UFO HAD BEEN PHOTOGRAPHED,   AND OPTICAL AND THERMAL
 SIGNALS FROM IT HAD SHOWN UP ON THE TARGET SCREENS OF THE
 INTERCEPTORS.     IN THE WORDS OF TRETYAK:  ''FOR QUITE A LONG TIME,
 FROM 2003 TO 2330,  IN THE REGION NORTHEAST OF MOSCOW
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 LIGHTS WERE OBSERVED IN THE SKY,  MOVING AS  IF THEY WERE FIXED IN
 POSITION IN RELATION TO EACH OTHER,  LIKE THE SIDE LIGHTS OF AN
 AIRPLANE.   BUT THIS WAS NOT AN AIRPLANE.   WE HAVE.WRITTEN TESTIMONY
 FROM EYEWITNESSES AND PHOTOGRAPHS.   SOME OBSERVERS WERE EVEN
 CONVINCED THAT THE SPEED OF THE OBJECT DEPENDED ON THE FREQUENCY OF
 THE PULSATION OF THE LIGHTS.''   TRETTAK NOTED THAT ALTHOUGH THE
 OBJECT COULD BE OBSERVED ON A RADAR SCREEN AND PHOTOGRAPHED,  IT
 COULD NOT BE REGISTERED BY ON-BOARD RADAR RECORDING EQUIPMENT.   HE
 EXPLAINED THAT THE  ''THREE SIGNALS WHICH COME IN FROM A TARGET --
 THE RADAR SIGNAL,  THE OPTICAL SIGNAL,  AND THE THERMAL SIGNAL -- ALL
 SHOW UP ON THE SCREEN OF THE SIGHT. IT IS AS IF THEY DUPLICATE
 EACH OTHER,  BUT THE RECORDING DEVICE REGISTERS ONLY THE RADAR
 SIGNAL.   AND,  IN THIS   2   MARCH   CASE,  THERE WAS NONE."   TRETYAK
 SAID HE BELIEVES THAT THE UFO CANNOT BE RECORDED ON RADAR BECAUSE IT
 IS NOT AN ORDINARY FLYING MACHINE WHICH CAN BE RECORDED ON THE
 RELATIVELY NARROW BAND ON WHICH AIR DEFENSE FORCES RADARS OPERATE.
 TRETYAK FURTHER EXPLAINED THAT THE UFO APPEARED TO HAVE                 ?
 ''STEALTHLIKE "  CHARACTERISTICS.   STATING HIS HOPE THAT
 TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS WILL MAKE  IT POSSIBLE TO WIDEN THE CAPABILITY
 OF RADARS TO COUNTERACT  ''STEALTH''  FEATURES,  TRETYAK SAID:   ''IT IS
 KNOWN,  FOR EXAMPLE,  THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MATERIALS AND SHAPES
 WHICH SHARPLY LOWER THE RADAR AND OPTICAL PROFILE OF AN OBJECT....
 THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT IS BEING ACHIEVED IN THE AMERICAN  'STEALTH'
 PROGRAM....     I ADMIT THAT THE MEASURES AIMED AT COUNTERING THIS
 PROGRAM,  WHICH WE ARE NOW TAKING,  WILL SIMULTANEOUSLY PROMOTE THE
 SOLUTIONOF--THE UFO RIDDLE  ` TRETYAK SUGGESTED-THAT ''IF-SPECIAL-
 OBSERVATION POSTS WERE ORGANIZED AND THE FREQUENCIES ON WHICH RADARS
 OPERATE WERE EXPANDED.. .WE MOST LIKELY WOULD SEE MORE.   FOR THIS,
 HOWEVER,  VERY GREAT RESOURCES ARE NECESSARY.   THE GROUND RADARS OF
 THE  AIR DEFENSE FORCES ALSO DID NOT RECORD THE   UFO   TARGET.'WHEN ASKED WHY HE,  AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF THE AIR DEFENSE
 .FORCES,  DID NOT ORDER THE UFO SHOT DOWN,  PARTICULARLY SINCE HIS
 PREDECESSOR IN THE POST OF COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF,   AS WELL AS THE
 MINISTER OF DEFENSE,  HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THEIR POSITIONS WHEN THEY
 WERE UNABLE TO PREVENT A  ''FLIGHT OVER OUR TERRITORY AND A LANDING
 IN MOSCOW OF THE INOFFENSIVE SPORTS PLANE THAT WAS FLOWN BY RUST,"
 TRETYAK POINTED OUT THAT THE UFOS ENCOUNTERED THUS FAR BY HIS PILOTS
 HAVE APPEARED TO POSE NO EXTRATERRESTRIAL THREAT AND THAT THERE IS
 STILb.NO PROOF THE UPOS ARE OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORIGIN OR FLOWN BY
 INTELLIGENT BEINGS.   MOREOVER, HE WARNED,  IT WOULD BE FOOLHARDY TO
 LAUNCH AN UNPROVOKED ATTACK AGAINST AN OBJECT THAT MAY POSSESS
 FORMIDABLE CAPACITIES FOR RETALIATION.   HE SAID THAT EVEN  IF IT IS
 PROVEN SOME OF THE UFOS ARE  ''A PRODUCT OF A HIGHLY ORGANIZED
 INTELLIGENCE FROM A SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DEVELOPED CIVILIZATION THAN
 OUR OWN...ANY FIGHT WITH SUCH OBJECTS AND THEIR CREWS -- BEFORE A
 CLARIFICATION OF THEIR INTENTIONS -- WOULD BE FUTILE.... "
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 SUBJ:      TAKE 2 OF  2--FOREIGN PRESS NOTE--FB PH 97:-003--USSR
 RE?:       WA0501074091 FOREIGN BROADCAST INFORMATION SERVICE PROD
 GROUP ///WOULD BE FUTILE...."
 SOURCE:    FOREIGN BROADCAST  INFORMATION SERVICE PROD GROUP
 TEXT:
 TRETYAK WAS ASKED HOW HE REACTS TO EACH NEW REPORT OF SIGHTINGS
 AND WHETHER HE PERSONALLY.BELIEVES THAT UFOS ARE FLOWN BY
 INTELLIGENT BEINGS OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORIGIN.   TRETYAK SAID HE
 WOULD NOT, AT THIS TIME,  TAKE AN OATH ON HIS PARTY  MEMBERSHIP CARD
 THAT NONE OF THE UFOS APPEARING OVER SOVIET TERRITORY  ARE PILOTED BY
 EXTRATERRESTRIALS BUT SAID HE BELIEVES  ''THE SERIOUS SCIENTISTS WHO
 MAINTAIN THAT THE APPEARANCE OF EXTRATERRESTRIALS ON EARTH IS
 EXTREMELY  IMPROBABLE.  NEVERTHELESS,  EACH NEW REPORT ABOUT SUCH AN
 EVENT EVOKES  IN ME,  I THINK AS  IN MANY OTHERS, A MODERATE CURIOSITY.
 THIS  IS A HUMAN REACTION.   BUT THE REACTION OF THE COMMANDER-IN
 CHIEF  OF THE AIR DEFENSE FORCES IS THE DESIRE TO INVESTIGATE WHAT IS
 BEHIND ALL OF THESE REPORTS.      IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CHECK OUT ALL OF
 THESE REPORTS... THERE ARE TOO MANY OF THEM.    BUT THIS  IS HARDLY
 NECESSARY.   OFTEN,  THEY ARE SIMPLY NEWSPAPER  'HOAXES.'   RECENTLY,  IN
 RASOCHAYA TRIBUNA,   A REPORT APPEARED -- SOME KIND OF FLYING.-V.EH.ICLE_
 APPEARED  IN THE KUYBYSHEV DISTRICT AND,  WHAT  IS MORE,  IT DESTROYED
 OUR RADAR STATION.   NATURALLY WE WERE PERPLEXED -- WHY  IS THERE NO
 REPORT?   A DESTROYED  STATION --  IT IS A MAJOR  INCIDENT.   EVEN IF IT
 HAD BEEN HIT BY LIGHTNING,  IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NECESSARY TO REPORT
 THIS  IMMEDIATELY.     AND HERE WE HAVE AN ATTACK BY A FLYING VEHICLE.
 BUT IT CAN BE EXPLAINED.    RA3OCHAYA TRIBUNA TOOK THESE REPORTS FROM
 THE DISTRICT   MILITARY   NEWSPAPER ZA RODINU.     IT TURNS OUT THE HOAX
 WAS THOUGHT UP BY A STAFF MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT NEWSPAPER IN ORDER
 TO ATTRACT READERS.    MAYBE, RIGHT NOW,  EVEN AS WE SPEAK,  THIS
 CA?TAIN  IS IN THE OFFICE OF GENERAL MAKASHOV AND THE LATTER IS,  AS
 THEY SAY,  FLAYING HIM ALIVE.   THESE DAYS,  ALL THESE RUMORS AND
 NEWSPAPER  'HOAXES'  FALL ON FERTILE SOIL -- EVERYBODY WANTS A
 MIRACLE.   AND WHEN  IT IS WANTED -- IT WILL APPEAR.''
 TT~'ETYAK ADVISED THE PUBLIC TO ADOPT A CRITICAL AND CAUTIOUS
 ATTITUDE TOWARD THE UFO PHENOMENON IN LIGHT OF THE  INCREASING NUMBER
 OF HOAXES.   HE EMPHASIZED,  HOWEVER,  THAT SOME OF THE UFOS, AS
 DEMONSTRATED BY EVIDENCE OBTAINED BY HIS INTERCEPTOR PILOTS, ARE
 REAL.     ''AT THE SAME TIME   HOAXES ARE. BEING PERPETRATED  ,  I REPEAT,
 THERE REALLY ARE PHENOMENA OF SOME KIND WHICH ARE APPEARING BEFORE
 US IN THE FORM OF UFOS,  THE NATURE OF WHICH WE DO NOT KNOW.''
 (FOR FURTHER REPORTING ON THIS TOPIC,  SEE THE FBIS FOREIGN PRESS
 NOTES:    FB PN 89-292,  22 NOV 90,  ''USSR: MEDIA REPORTS MULTITUDE'OF
 UFO SIGHTINGS"  AND FB PN 90-123,  22 MAY 90,  ''USSR:  UFO SIGHTINGS
 N0.2.  GENERAL MALTSEV COMMENTS'')
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