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 SUBJ:     TAKE 1 OF 2 -- PHYSICIST SEES UTO'S AS CIA DEVICE
 SOURCE:   MOSCOW KOMSOMOLSKAYA PRAVDA IN RUSSIAN 1 NOV 95 P 3
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 INTERVIEW WITH PHYSICIST PAVEL POLUYAN BY YURIY BBLIKOV IN PERM;
 DATE NOT SPA:   EXTRATERRESTRIALS ARE CIA'S SECRET PLAY" --
 FIRST PARAGRIM IS INTRODUCTION
 FBIS TEANSLATRD TBXT  PEN -- HAVING READ IN KOMSOMOLSKAYA
 PRAVDA ABOUT THS "REACTIVATED" ANOMALY ZONE NEAR MOLEEKA IN THE PERM
 REGION, THE KRASNOYARSK PHYSICIST PAVEL POLUYAN SENT A LETTER:   "I
 AM TIRED OF MY SILENCE SUPPORTING THE MOST IMPRESSIVE MYSTIFICATION.
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 OF THE 20TH CENTURY.  THERE ARE NO ALIENS OR FLYING SAUCERS.  TRSRE
 ARE FLYING MACHINES DESIGNED IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CENTURY BY PEOPLE.
 THESE AIRCRAFT' ARE' BEING USED FOR INTELLIGENCE PURPOSES IN A REGIME
 OF EXTREME SECRECY."  PAVEL POLUYAN'S STORY SEEMED SERIOUS TO ME AND
 WE AGREED ON AN INTERVIEW.
 BELIKOV  PAVEL, YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE NO ALIENS AND FLYING
 SAUCERS.   WHAT IS THERE, THEN'?  ARE KHAROVSK NEAR VOLOGDA AND
 MOLEBKA NEAR PERM REALLY INTRIGUES BY THE IMPERIALISTS?
 POLUYAN THE ALIENS BOOM WHICH WE LIVED THROUGH WITH DIFFICULTY
 AT THE BEGINNING OF PSRESTROYKA WAS NOTHING BUT A CIA ACTION TO
 DESTABILIZE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS.  I SEE THE ITEMS ABOUT UPO'S AS AN
 ATTEMPT TO INTERPRET OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.  NATURALLY, ALL TALK
 ABOUT THE "CRASH OF UFO'S" IN NEW MEXICO AND OF HOW THEIR DEBRIS AND
 THE BODIES OF HUMANOIDS ARE KEPT AT U.S. MILITARY BASES HAVE A
 GROUNDING IN FACT.  BUT THEY HERB ENTIRELY EARTHLY VEHICLES.
 ANY DESIGNER AND MODEL MAKER CAN MAKE A MODEL OF A SMALL FLYING
 SAUCER AT HOME.  OF COURSE, IT WILL NOT FLY BUT IT WILL LEAP ABOUT
 ENTERTAININGLY (THIS MODEL IS KNOWN TO DESIGNERS AS THE "RYVOK").
 IT IS TRUE THAT THERE IS AN ENORMOUS WAY TO GO FROM A MODEL TO A
 REAL AIRCRAFT.  SO IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO CREATE THE PRESENT
 "UFO'S."  THERE ARE NO SPECIAL SECRETS HERE.  ZHUKOVSKIY WOULD SAY:
 "IN THE AIR THERE IS SUPPORT EVERYWHERE."  AS WE KNOW, AIRCRAFT
 EMBODIED THE PRINCIPLE OF AERODYNAMIC BUOYANCY.   THE SECOND
 PRINCIPLE REMAINED UNUSED BY MASS TECHNOLOGY. BUT AT THE BEGINNING
 OF AIRCRAFT BUILDING THEY TRIED TO USE IT.  YOU REMEMBER THE
 NEWSREEL SCENES:  A STRUCTURE REMINISCENT OF AN UMBRELLA LEAPS UP
 AND DOWN, SOMETIMES REMAINS HANGING, BUT DOES NOT ACTUALLY TAKE OFF?
 THIS IDEA GOT NOWHERE.   TIME WAS NEEDED TO DEVELOP AND EMBODY IT.
 BELIKOV  FOR INSTANCE?
 POLUYAN  IF. WE TAKE A POWERFUL ELECTROMR(OW AND PLACE -A SHSST
 OF ANY PARAMAGNET (ALUMINUM, TITANIUM, OR MAGNESIUM) ON IT THEN WHEN
 THE MAGNETIC FIELD IS SWITCHED ON THE SHEET WILL BE REPELLED.  THAT
 IS THE PRINCIPLE.  BUT WHERE IS THE COMPLICATION?  FIRST, THE
 STRUCTURE IS RATHER HEAVY.  SECOND, THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE
 ENERGY SOURCE.  BUT PHYSICS KNOWS THE FORMULA OF HEAD RESISTANCE
 WHOSE FORCE IS PROPORTIONAL TO THE AREA OF THE SUPPORT BASS, THE AIR
 VOLUME, AND THE SPEED SQUARED.  THE GREATER THE SPEED TUB GREATER
 THE HEAD RESISTANCE WILL BE.   WITH THIS VEHICLE (I SHALL NOT CALL IT
 A "SAUCER" BUT A "RYVOK") THE OSCILLATIONS OF THE FUSELAGE WINGS ARE
 NOT SMOOTH AND OCCASIONAL BUT VERY BRIEF AND RAPID.  SO THAT THE
 DISPLACEMENT IS NOT BY A CENTIMETER BUT BY TINY FRACTIONS OF A
 MILLIMETER.  A QUITS RAPID SPEED DEVELOPS.  WITH SIGH FREQUENCY
 FUSELAGE OSCILLATIONS THERE IS AIR IONIZATION.  THAT IS WHY "UM' So
 APPEAR TO BL.         , ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. ESSENTIALLY THE
 ELECTRICITY     IIR AROUND THE FUSELAGE IS USED IN TARN TO-FEED THE
 DEVICE ITSSL'    TO ENSURE THE VEHICLE'S CONSTANT OPERATION.  OF
 COURSE, THIS40& A BRILLIANT SOLUTION BY THE SECRET DESIGNERS.  THE
 VEHICLE WAS OST1I3BLY EFFECTIVE BUT IT WAS USED NARROWLY.  IT IS
 NOT SUITABLE FOR TRANSPORTING PASSENGERS.  IT CANNOT CARRY HEAVY
 FREIGHT.  IN THE MILITARY RESPECT TOO THE "RYVOK" PROVED NON-COMBAT
 CAPABLE:  HOW COULD ONE FIRE FROM IT?  FIRING BULLETS WOULD UPSET
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 THE BALANCE OF tum OSCILLATIONS.  THE ONLY AVENUE FOR ITS USE LAY IN
 INTELLIGENCE.  TSS INFILTRATION AND INSERTION OF SPIES, AND
 FUNCTIONS OF A PSYCIOLOGICAL NATURE.
 BELIKOV          IN YOUR OPINION, DID THEY LAUNCH THE FIRST
 SAUCER?
 POLUYAN  IN THE LATE FORTIES.
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 REP:
 BEGINNING OF TAKE 002 ******/
 MM0311120895 MOSCOW KOMSOMOLSKAYA PRAVDA RUSSIAN 1
 NOV///THE LATE FORTIES.
 FBIS TRANSLATED TEXT  BELIKOV  YOU CLAIM THIS WAS TUB WORK OF
 THE AMERICANS.   BUT IF WE GO ALONG WITH YOUR STORY SURELY WE WERE
 BREATHING DOWN THEIR NECKS?
 .POLUYAN  AT FIRST OUR PEOPLE WERE TAKEN IN BY THE STORY OF THE
 "ALIENS" BUT THEN THEY GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT.  AND SOMEWHERE IN
 THE LATE SIXTIES SIMILAR AIRCRAFT APPEARED IN OUR COUNTRY.   I CAN OT
 EVEN SPECIFY WHERE THEY MADE TEST FLIGHTS.  IF IT A CASE OF THE
 GEOGRAPHY OF THE "RYVKI" THEN IT IS PERM OBLAST, IN THE SO-CALLED
 "M" TRIANGLE, MOLEBKA.  IN THIS CONNECTION IT IS USEFUL TO RECALL
 THE PERM INVENTOR NAMED TOLCHIN,?WHO APPEARED AT THAT TIME.  HE
 CREATED uINERTIOIDS."  LATER HIS WORK WAS STRICTLY SUPPRESSED. AND NO
 ONE HEARD ANY MORE ABOUT IT.  AT ONE TIME SIMILAR IDEAS WERE MOOTED
 IN THE SOVIET PRESS AND THEN THE "INFORMATION LEAK" WAS CUT OFF.  AT
 WHAT STAGE THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN OUR COUNTRY NOW I DO NOT KNOW.
 BELIKOV  PAVEL, I HOPE YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR STATEMENT
 REGARDING THE "CELSTIAL" ACTIVITY OF THE U.S. SPECIAL SERVICES ON
 THE-TERRITORY OF THE-FORMER SOVIET --UNION -AND -PRESENT-DAY RUSSIA
 LOOKS SOLD TO SOME PEOPLE AND RATHER TRAGICOMIC TO OTHERS.  BUT A
 STORY IS A STORY.  WE SHALL NOT DENY IT NOW OR SEEK ADDITIONAL-
 ARGUMENTS FOR IT.                              CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHY WE, WHO WERE
 THE FIRST TO 00 INTO SPACE, SUDDENLY LAGGED BEHIND THE AMERICANS IN
 CREATING "RYVKI?"
 POLUYAN  THE CREATION OF THE "RYVKI" IS A BUSINESS NOT FOR
 THEORISTS BUT FOR PRACTICAL EXPERTS.  THEIR OPERATION REVEALED MANY
 PHYSICAL EFFECTS WHICH DID NOT FIT VERY WELL INTO EXISTX)  THEORIES.
 AS WE KNOW, MODERN PHYSICS IS IN A DEEP THEORETICAL IMPASSE.  WHEN I
 WAS STUDYING THE               OF PRY ICS I WROTE A LOT ABOUT IT AND
 ALMOST DEFENDED MY DISSERTATION ON THE SUBJECT.  FROM TER VIEWPOINT
 OF ALTERNATIVE PHYSICS AIRCRAFT ARE ONLY LITTLE SEEDS.  MORE
 FANTASTIC TECERICAL ACXMZPM= ARE POSSIBLE.  IT IS NOT OUT OF THE
 QUESTION   S H SHALL WITNESS THEM.  INTERVIEW IS ACCOMPANIED BY A
 PHOTOGRAPH     RE INSET-SHAPED VEHICLE WITS THE FOLLOWING CAPTION:
 "THIS 'FLYIR   $AM=' CREATED BY DESIGNERS AT THE 'EKXP' AVIATION
 FIRM AND   ANIMMV AVIATION PLANT HAS ALREADY TAKEN OFF.  IT IS
 NOT OUT OF TER OUIB?ION THAT IN THE 21ST CENTURY AIRCRAFT WINOS WILL
 BECOME UNNECESSARY."
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